I don’t have a bad word to say about Tony Wilson. I think he’s got a lot of balls and a lot of time. He’ll let his mouth go first, but you need people like that. You need people to put their neck on the line, and Tony that, he did that for Factory.
One of the things we hated about Factory was how cool the image was. So we were like “Nope, not gonna let anyone do our sleeve, we’re gonna do it.” And then I think the night before the deadline, we kind of rang each other in a panic because we hadn’t got a sleeve together and Jimmy did it with felt-tips, and scrawled JIMONE, couldn’t even fit it all the writing with felt-tips and they had to put out this sleeve that looked like it had been done by an autistic child. And they prided themselves and every sleeve had been so cool and I hear Tony ranted at us for that one for a long time, he was well pissed with us for that.
We toured with New Order, and, as I said, we took the Mondays on tour and gave them their first kind of big… We went to see them. I remember, Nathan, their manager, went “Tim, come and see..”, he was quite friendly with us, me and Martine, “Come and see this great band I’m managing, great band” and he took us to Wigan to see them in this little club and Shaun was so out of it that he came off after twenty minutes, he was so far gone, he thought he’d been on for hours. So they played literally about four songs. And the rest of the band were like “Shaun” and he was like “We’ve been on for hours man, we’ve been on for hours.” He was obviously off his head. But they were brilliant for about twenty minutes and we were like “Yeah, fine, we’ll take you on tour, great.”